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Bootstrapping to $28M ARR Without Selling a Single Share

Rae Chen and her co-founder built a vertical SaaS company for physical therapy clinics. Nine years, sixty-two employees, no outside capital.

Rae Chen · Co-Founder & CEO, Cadence Software
Portland, OR
October 15, 2025
Bootstrapping to $28M ARR Without Selling a Single Share
Executive Summary

Cadence Software makes clinical operations software for independent physical therapy clinics. Rae Chen and her co-founder started it in 2016 with sixty thousand dollars of personal savings. Today the company does $28M in ARR, employs sixty-two people, and has never taken outside capital. Rae talks about the two decisions that made it possible: pricing on value, and hiring on trajectory.

Why this conversation matters

Most software success stories are about venture capital. Cadence is a story about pricing discipline and slow hiring. Both are transferable.

Key Takeaways
  1. 01Price for the value delivered, not the price competitors list.
  2. 02Every hire is a bet on the next two years, not the next quarter.
  3. 03Boring software wins boring markets.
  4. 04Apprenticeship out-performs senior lateral hiring in vertical software.
  5. 05Do not underprice to close a founder-tier customer. Underprice to close nobody.

The origin

My co-founder Sarah's mother owned a physical therapy clinic. Their software had not been updated in a decade. Sarah watched her mother lose two hours a night to insurance verification. We built a prototype in a summer, sold it to twelve clinics in the first year for $199 a month, and realized very quickly that we were dramatically underpriced.

"Boring software wins boring markets, and boring markets are enormous."

Pricing

We tripled our price in year two. We lost two customers. We doubled our revenue. The lesson was not that we were smart. The lesson was that we had been afraid. When you price against value instead of competitors, you find out that the competitors are afraid too.

"Senior lateral hires assume the last company's context. In vertical software, the context is everything."

Hiring

We do not hire senior lateral engineers. Almost never. Ninety percent of our engineering team came in as apprentices, mid-career-changers, or new grads. They stay because they are trained deeply. They perform because they know one system extremely well instead of ten systems shallowly. We call it the apprenticeship model but it is really just the way skilled trades have hired for four hundred years.

Bootstrap

Not raising capital is a discipline, not a virtue. Every year I say no to something an outside investor would say yes to. That includes markets I could enter, teams I could hire, and acquisitions I could make. The reason we can grow at forty percent a year is that the cost of every decision falls on us. That focuses the mind.

What almost broke us

In year four we hired a VP of Sales from a public SaaS company. He was excellent at his old job. He was wrong for our stage. We spent nine months trying to make it work. It cost us close to eight hundred thousand dollars and a lot of trust. The lesson: senior lateral hires assume the last company's context. In vertical software, the context is everything.

The Operating System

Rae Chen's operating principles, distilled.

hiring philosophy

Apprentice-first. Senior lateral hiring only for domain experts who used the software as customers.

decision framework

Would we make this decision if we had already raised? If yes, why haven't we?

non negotiables

No layoffs. No underpricing. No selling the company.

metrics watched

Net revenue retention, apprentice ramp time, gross margin.

biggest mistake

Hiring a VP of Sales from a public company at stage $5M ARR.

principle to pass on

Price for the value delivered, not the price your competitor lists.

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